Dr. Bruce Lipton, he received his PhD at the University of Virginia back in 1971, served as associate professor at the university of Wisconsin school of medicine where his where his research of cloned human stem cells provided a radical, new understanding of the mechanisms controlling life. Bruce resigned his tenure position, now that’s not something you do lightly, to pursue independent research integrating quantum physics with cell biology. He returned to academia as a research scientist at Stanford university school of medicine to test his hypothesis from 1987 to 1992, Bruce’s revolutionary studies of mechanisms on mind, body interactions interactions unifying practices of conventional medicine, complimentary medicine, and spiritual healing. His insights made him an internationally sought after lecturer and his very informative new book, The Biology of Belief- unleashing the power of consciousness, matter and miracles, is now available. In a moment, in person, comes Dr. Bruce Lipton. It’s going to be quite a night, stay right there.
Here from, well actually I don’t where he’s from, is Dr.
Bruce Lipton, doctor where are you?
California and happy.
Ah, well welcome to the program, it’s nice to have you.
I’m glad to be here, we have some exciting things to talk about.
This whole area is incredibly exciting. I don’t know if you follow the program at all but we’ve done some things with consciousness that were, well, scared me. I’ve been doing this kind of thing for years. In your book, the biology of belief: unleashing the power of consciousness, matter and miracles, you write about how some scientific epiphany precipitated instantaneous transformation in your life, that must have been some special moment, I know that people don’t just resign tenured positions at big universities unless something really radical happens.
Well I’ll tell you, it was the biggest shock of my life because I was a conventional professor teaching the kind of things medical students get about how biochemistry and genes control life. teaching the concept that the human body as essentially like a machine and that medicine was involved with changing the parts and making it right and all that. It doesn’t leave any room for spirituality and all those other kind of things, which were never actually a part of my life, and I was working on the stem cells and people think of stem cells as that recent thing that has been happening, I actually started working on stem cells, cloning stem cells back in 1967 so, it was almost 40 years ago in fact, the biggest prize of my life was the lessons those cells showed me and that particular night was the understanding of how cells were actually controlled and what was unique about it was that, 15 years of research took me away from genes, the belief that genes control life which everyone else was on that path and I started recognizing indeed that genes were not controlling life and when I found out what controlled life I was shocked into another understanding, another reality. Interestingly though when it consciously hit me right there in that moment, it still took me a bit of time to realize that we are programmed and even though I was consciously aware of this new understanding about, we are spiritual entities, we are not even in the body, and this was through a molecular understanding, of how the cell works, it just floored me because I needed to learn how to put that into my life, not just the awareness of it, so a little bit of a lag period, and I think this is so important because there’s a tendency to think because if we just know something, then that’s going to change our lives, and this gets into the issue of consciousness and programming’s of pattern and behavior which came out of this work.
Okay, well it may have been an epiphany for you, but I’m still not sure that I get it.
Haha, okay, well let me tell you how it works. The concept that genes control life, this is what is being taught in schools right now and it’s in every textbook everywhere about the concept that is referred to as genetic determinacy which means that the genes that you get at conception are essentially a blueprint for the rest of your life and that you live your life through this. And the issue was when I started working on these stem cells, one of the big things I found out right away is that the character or behavior or traits of the cells changed when I put it in one culture environment or changed the environment and put it in another environment, they changed their behavior, they changed their expression, whether they were healthy or they were sick, or they changed into different kinds of cells…
Are you suggesting it’s adaptation?
Basically, it is a dynamic process where life is continuously reading its environment and adjusting the biology to conform to the perception of that environment so it’s not your genes, your genes are not your fixed fate. Genes are potentials, what you do with those potentials are based on how you see the environment and this was the big thing. After all these years, you would think that if you want to change your life, you need to change your genes, and now all of a sudden it says, you want to change your life, you have to understand if you just change your perception of the environment, your whole life can change. You can talk about for example, a person who has terminal cancer, and they have bought into the story that this is the end and that their life is waning right now, and all of a sudden they just get this belief change and they say, “NO! I’m not going to buy that. I’m not buying that!” and they get up and get out and they experience what is called a spontaneous remission. And you ask, what happened? And in this case they change something about their perception, beliefs change. You can see it in another case, multiple personalities. Multiple personalities, in one personality they may have blue eyes, and they switch personalities and they have grey eyes.
Really?
Yes
Really?! That’s documented?
Yes! And what’s also documented is that they can have allergies in one personality and in a minute later, change personalities, and those things that would have caused a severe allergic reaction, just a minute before…
Okay, slow down. I really need to understand this. You’re saying that a person with multiple personalities that one of them can have blue eyes, and when they switch personalities, it’s actually that eye color…
Change color right in front of your face. Now this is hard kind of stuff to believe right?!
It is, yes.
And yet it is exciting because it is a pathology in a sense that they are not in control of it but it represents the ability, that we have the power of changing our expression when we change our perception of life.
Doctor, where can a person do some reading to verify that for example?
Okay, there’s an organization for dissociation studies, dissociation meaning people separating from their personalities and acquiring other personalities. There’s a big organization that studies this and there’s data to all this, and in fact, you know the story of the three faces of eve? You know that movie that came out?
Yes
You remember something like that?
Oh yes.
Well I met that women and she’s actually one of the first ones. She had a severe allergies to strawberries that caused her to get hives in one of her personalities and when she changed personalities, the strawberry allergy did not affect her.
That I believe. Let’s go back for second to spontaneous remissions now, I know that’s true. I know that happens. I don’t know how frequently, I think it’s fairly rare…
It is, but it’s which people express it? This is important. What is uniform about those that express it?
Well what is? I assume you looked at studies of spontaneous remissions, how many cases have there been?
Oh, the number’s in thousands but the problem is when you try to document it, then there is a take-back where they say well the original diagnosis wasn’t correct all of a sudden. And this is the issue because it doesn’t conform to an understanding that medicine likes to play with, except they are very aware of it, it’s called the placebo effect. And what it really represents is, what is the placebo effect? It’s an ability to heal yourself based on the belief that whatever you are doing in that moment is something that effectively heal you.
Yes, yes. As long as you believe, it will work.
And people should know this as well. There is an equal and opposite effect called the nocebo effect and that’s the one that says if you are told that you can’t do something about it or that it’s too late…
I’m sorry son, you have a brain tumor and you have six months. It’s irreversible and inoperable…
At that point, it’s the belief system itself that will promote that situation. And that’s a very important understanding because it says look, placebo, nocebo, it’s the same concept. Basically it says, what you believe and your perceptions will change the biology that you are expressing. This is actually a new understanding, it’s not that new, and in fact, science has actually been publishing information about how this mechanism occurs since 1990. And it’s a new understanding, in a sense that it’s not in the textbooks but it has been in the leading edge research for at least the last 15 years and it’s a concept called epigenetic control. And what does that mean? well genetic control is what we were talking about before. Genes control life…
But doesn’t this leave a doctor who is buying into what you are saying right now in a terrible position because if he tells a patient he’s got an inoperable fatal tumor, then he has just dispensed the piece of information that’s going to kill that person!?
At exactly the same time, it’s not a helpful situation, and it has been an issue because when you talk to doctors, their programming is not to give false hope and the significance of that is if you don’t give false hope, meaning there is no evidence for it, you take away from their arsenal of healing ability. You take away the ability of suggestion, that they can influence a person because the idea is that they don’t wasn’t to be held liable for anything and as a result, it’s like, okay this is what you have and it’s an unfortunate issue of legal issues and medical issues that are mixing right there. It’s very difficult because a doctor is not obliged to offer something that he cannot scientifically attest to.
But if in fact, the human mind is capable of reversing the otherwise seeming to be irreversible, then there is the obligation on the part of the healer to do the very best he can to include this. This is going to be very hard though to get into traditional scientific, medical literature.
They are actually trying to wean it out of the literature right now. The drug companies are trying to remove studies of placebos. And the reason is because it contaminates their studies. Many of their drugs are no better than placebos. Prozac, is scientifically not really above a sugar pill and that is scientific fact that they, the federal government, actually this psychologist at the university of Connecticut actually had to sue the government, the freedom of information act, to get the test results on these drugs and he found out that, he reported a number of papers on it that Prozac and Zoloft and these other drugs are no better than a placebo and it’s very hard because you can get people that have taken the drug that will swear on their lives that this is what did it.
Oh yes.
And yet, of course, and I’m happy that that happened. There are a lot of other people that could have swore that Laetrile cured their cancer, and it did. But it wasn’t really through the laetrile, but it was because they took it with the belief that this was the most fantastic cancer cure ever. So the issue is what we are talking about seems like magic, it’s like if I change my belief or perceptions of what I see, I change my biology, and the answer is through the new understanding of epigenetic. And the word “epi” is key here because that prefix, “epi” means above and this is a new area of study…
Above genetic control.
That’s exactly what it says. What it represents is this. What we used to think was that genes were autonomous units. You walk down the street, the gene will say, time for cancer or something, a gene gave you cancer, and we gave all this credit to and power to genes and here is the simple truth. A gene is a blueprint. It is exactly that. And what it means is this, the body is made out of proteins, these are very complex molecules, that the complexity needs a blueprint to make them. The gene is a linear string which is a blueprint to make the protein, and why that is important is this, go to an architect’s office and he’s working on a blueprint on his desk, stand behind him and ask him, “is that blueprint on or off?” He’ll look at you like, “what do you mean is it on or off?” You talk about a gene being on or off and the reality is that we made a big mistake. The fact is, as the contractor would tell you, the blueprint isn’t on or off. It’s whether I read the blueprint or I don’t read the blueprint that makes all the difference and that’s what medicine is beginning to realize is that genes don’t turn on or off, it’s that whether the cell reads the gene or that the cell doesn’t read the gene, and all of a sudden that’s when you have to back up and say “yeah, well whose in charge of what the cell reads?”
Right. And the answer to that?
The skin or membrane of the cell. In human embryology, our brain and nervous system is derived from our skin as well. You say that the skin is the brain? But that makes sense if you think about it. It’s the interface between the organism and the environment. One side of the skin is reading the outside world while the other side of the skin is reading the inside world and by processing that information the skin can adjust the biology and meet the needs of the environment.
I thought the skin, for example, was simply providing the signal to the brain kind of like an input of information.
Yea, in embryology, you start with a single egg, you fertilize it, it forms a ball of cells and the next stage is called a gastrolation which means the cell has stratified into three layers. And outer layer, a middle layer, and an inner layer. These layers are called respectively, the ectoderm, mesoderm, and the endoderm, “derm” meaning germ layer. So “ecto” means outer, so the outer layer of the embryo, there’s three layers, the outer layer is called ectoderm, each one of these germ layers is responsible for providing very specific organs or tissues of the body. The ectoderm only provides for two things: the skin and the central nervous system. The central nervous system is formed from the back of the embryo, the skin from the back turns in and forms what is called a neural tube and that becomes the spinal cord and the brain. And so what was the point? Well the cell’s skin is the brian, the human skin, the derivative of the skin from the back actually becomes the brain itself and it says the same thing, and this is a very important point, is that when I would tell students this when I was teaching in medical school, they see themselves, we each see ourselves when we look in the mirror as this singular entity, this single person, I look in the mirror and I see Bruce, and I say that’s one thing, and in reality that would be a misinterpretation for this reason, if I were to shrink you down to the size of a cell, you would see that you are actually made out of living units, the living things that make up you are cells. You are a community of cells. Maybe up to 50 trillion cells in that community. What’s the point? Well you see yourself as a singular thing but in truth, you are a harmonious, when you are healthy, community of 50 trillion cells each interacting together in just like a metropolis. I mean in the exchange of food, money, and energy.
So we are a totality of brains..
Yea
Dr. Bruce Lipton is my guest, from the high desert, in the middle of the night. Lots to be learned this night about consciousness and the nature of what we really are. We tend to think of ourselves as such separate ways, our skin, all the rest of us, and our brain, that’s all separate right? Wrong.
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Since Dr. Lipton was actually involved in cloning human stem cells, it is an irresistible question to take you back to that research Doctor and ask you about the advisability of the race we have going on now with cloning and eventually with genetic tampering and changing, and we seem to be on the precipice on this incredible revolution. Do you think we are on a wise course here?
Absolutely not and…
Oh?
The real interest in this regard because all of us have stem cells in us right now and there’s an interesting philosophical point if you think about it, we all have stem cells, why is it that the pharmaceutical industry for example have to indentify how those stem cells work, it’s almost like a joke you know, god gave us stem cells but didn’t give us a way to use them? The fact is, we have stem cells and they are quite usable in our system and yet it’s based on perception of the system, what those stem cells, what’s going to become of them. As I said, I put stem cells, put them in this environment, they formed this, I put them in another environment, they form something completely different, and then you start to realize that it was the environment that was controlling the development of those stem cells. And our world, our belief systems, there’s a tendency to believe that we are not a renewing kind of organism and we can’t repair, replace ourselves. That’s a belief. And yet unfortunately that perception gets in the way of the operation of the stem cells and prevents us from healing ourselves because we have a tendency to believe we can’t heal ourselves.
But we can.
Yes we can and amazing things happen and then we call them miracles, these are exceptions to the rule. Roger Bannister was the first to run the four minute mile, he was the exception to the rule, and once he did it, other people saw that they could be the exception to the rule and this changed and many, many more people were able to run four minute mile after he did it once.
That is true.
A similar thing here too. We have to recognize that we have abilities that have been programmed out of us regarding our own ability to heal ourselves. Essentially, there were millions of years of humans before there were doctors and they managed themselves very well. And the fact is, we bought into a perception that we are frail, we live in a world where everything is out to get us…
Are you suggesting that the science of stem cell research eventually replacement, I guess, uh is sort of a fraud, or it’s not the active ingredient in the cure?
It’s not so much a problem but a misdirection because it is our belief system that has propagated us to think that these are just mechanical devices, and you throw in the right chemicals, and this mechanical device is going to do a miracle for you, when in reality, if they come up with a chemical that controls the stem cells, guess what? It must match a chemical we already have in our bodies because god gave us the stem cells and it wasn’t, you know, without the key to use them. And so the fact is, we have to actually recognize, it is within ourselves, this ability to heal ourselves and it’s been something we’ve been programmed out of. And it’s based on perception, if you think about it, an infant is born with a doctor that goes to a check up to check up on its health all the time, during its young period, anytime it gets sick, the information is, well if you’re sick I have to take you to the doctor, and if we get around to this new understanding of epigenetics, how our perceptions control our biology, and you start to see the program a child receives when it’s young that says when it is sick, it’s not up to itself to heal itself and you have to take it to some specialist to heal it, and the reality is, that becomes a perception, and then that is what controls the healing. And in fact, it’s interesting to see how many people have that perception and when they get sick and on the way to the doctor, they already start to get better, because once you engage in the steps that you put in the way of healing, then the healing process can begin again.
Boy are you right about that. Boy are you ever right about that. You know, what you just said. I had a pretty bad flu not too long ago and the temperature just went on and on and on and after so many days of having such a high temperature I said, “You know what? That’s it. We’re going to the hospital.” So we get in the car and we got about an hour drive from here to from Nevada to Las Vegas to the hospital where I went and I’m telling you right now doctor, by the time I got there, my temperature had fallen, I was feeling better for the first time in days and days and days, and it was like from that moment of instant decision to go to the doctor, the hour drive to get there, it was almost like, why was I there?
Absolutely, and we have these powers and it’s funny because we live in a world where we’ve been taught that these powers don’t exist, and since that biology, that epiphany really led me to, is that the nature of every cell is technically, a programmable chip, and that the human body is an integration of 50 trillion chips and that the programmer is not inside the cell. And this is the part that blew me away, because I realized that our identity isn’t in the cell, it’s placed to the cell, and it became part of the epiphany of how the membrane works. My god, all those years, I was teaching all these students about genetic control and they are still getting the same message, and now it’s been 20 or more years since I have caught up to it, but conventional science in the last ten years has fully recognized this and yet, it is not coming out to the mainstream very quickly because, there’s an interesting loop hole that is, when people know this, then they are in power of their own health, and there is a lot of interest that are not interested in seeing that happen.
Huh, and I’m sure the drug companies are not all that interested in seeing that happen.
Absolutely.
They make money on selling pills. If you could heal yourself with energy, and they can’t sell that, then they are not interested in promoting that. And it’s an important understanding because medicine is getting a bad reputation because it is not living up to whatever it’s been promising, and there’s a fact that irritates me so much because this fact is so important and not revealed and that is that the leading cause of death in the united states today is the medical profession, and it’s a fact by numbers, I mean I could give you a Gary Knowles website, he has an article called “death by medicine” that has all the statistics. And the fact is that the AMA said they were third in the cause of death and they did it with estimates and that’s what Gary Knowles did. And he said, instead of the estimates, let me just give you the real numbers and let me know what the numbers say and the numbers were staggering. 780,000 people die from medical interventions, not because of the sickness they came with, but because of the consequence of interventions. And this is my point, it’s not the medical doctor’s fault. It’s not their fault at all because it is the academic’s fault, it’s the pharmaceutical industry’s fault.
Nor is it necessarily saying that physicians are unneeded. People still fall down and break bones…
Oh absolutely, listen, there’s nobody better in the entire
world than, if you have trauma, the medical profession is the place to go. You
want to fix something, replace something, cut it out, tie it up, these guys do
miracles but when you want to get down to the mechanisms of why something
happen, why do we have a cancer, what causes Alzheimer’s? Why is diabetes this
big issue? Well these aren’t trauma these are other things. And here’s the
problem, medicine knows the body as a physical device, and can treat it like a
repair person. Like, “Oh you know I need to take out your exhaust pipe and put
in a new one”. That’s easy to do but when it comes to understanding the
mechanics of how it works, they don’t really have an understanding because
they’re still being taught the concept that genes control life and lets
straighten this out for the audience right now, if genes control life which is
the belief and genes are in the nucleus of the cell, and throw the nucleus
away, then there’s no control left and life should stop. And this process is
called e-nucleation and I actually did this with my cloned cells. As I
destroyed the DNA, it’s not working at all, it’s done, and what happens is the
cell still goes on and live and still makes all the responses that they would…
Oh now that’s fascinating, you destroyed the DNA in cells just to see what would happens, and you’re suggesting that nothing happened?
Well it didn’t change their behavior. I can tell you exactly what happened at some point and it’s a funny thing about it because we up to now have been saying that the gene controls the cell as if the genes were the brains of the cell, in fact many textbooks actually say that, and the fact is, if you take brain out of an organism and throw it away then by definition, that organism is going to die. We buy that but it turns out the genes and the nucleus are not the brain, it’s the gonad of the cell. It’s reproduction. It doesn’t have an idea in the world what needs to be turned on and off. The genes are not intelligent; we have given them this intelligence. And so basically, what happens when you take out the genes and throw them away, and at some point, the cell will die because it was using those genes, those blueprints to replace the building blocks of the machinery of the cell. If I throw away the genes, all of a sudden, there will be a point where I will need the protein to do a function and I won’t have the blueprint available, and then at some point, that’s when the cell will stop.
Alright, this is going to seem a little off track or maybe it’s not, there was this crazy story that I read a few years ago, I got it in front of me right now, called Mike the headless chicken. Now this chicken had its head cut off. Only trouble, I mean it’s pretty horrible stuff, it didn’t die and the owner kept feeding it by pouring stuff down its headless neck! I swear to god this is true.
Yes, yes.
By pouring food down its headless neck and in every other way, this chicken went on to lead a normal- as much as you can without a head- normal life! It’s not possible only it actually happened.
Here’s the truth about yourself, I’ll tell you what. We could take your digestive tract and cut it from your mouth out, all the way down to the guts and all the way down to the rectum, I take it out of you, put it on a table, stick a piece of food in at one end, and it will digest the food and eliminate the wastes on the other end. The controls are built into their own cells. The process of putting food in will engage all the next steps. We now know that things like walking and standing, a lot of that has to do with actual spinal cord information.
Apparently so! Which goes back to your, the brain is everywhere contention, isn’t that so?
Every cell has a brain! And that’s the important thing. In your community of cells, there’s a distribution of workload, I mean that’s what the definition of a community is. To share awareness, that’s why, the first three billion years of life on this planet, you know what, were all single cells. They were like yeast, bacteria, amoeba, paramecium, and algae…
So Doctor, this headless chicken, the spinal cord left intact and the rest of the chicken was enough for this chicken to function normally as a chicken- without a head!
As long as he put the food in there and the chicken did not have to do any consideration about what it had to do, you know, the rest is a mechanical device. It’s sort of like people who get put on life support systems, their brains aren’t working, but as long as you feed it, the body will continue to run! There’s an intelligence throughout the entire body and every cell is intelligent. That was what the nature of stem cells was interesting. I would take stem cells from muscular dystrophy patients, put them in tissue cultures and you know what? They grew better in the tissue culture than they did in the patient. And the reason was, they weren’t necessarily having the problem, it was the environment inside the patient that was toxic. It’s a whole new understanding and it’s very, very important because it says look, we are not victims of genes, we can rewrite which genes we use on a day by day, minute by minute basis. It’s a way of staying alive in a dynamic world is the ability to change which genes are being read at any time in order so your biology will meet the demands of that world.
So if you were diagnosed with, I don’t know, Alzheimer’s for example, how would you proceed with the understanding that you have and that diagnosis in your head, how would you proceed?
The first thing I would try to find out is where’s the cause of the problem. Alzheimer’s is actually the symptom of the problem. That’s the consequence of something going wrong, not it itself is the problem. It is the consequence. Now the issue is where did something go wrong? Well, you can have something physical go wrong like trauma could cause a problem, you know, blunt force trauma is certainly going to interfere with the nervous system.
Yes, but that kind of thing aside.
The main thing that we now know about Alzheimer’s is called the concept of auto-suggestion. It’s also psychoneuroimmunology is another example of that meaning that at some point we used to ascribe all the control to something within the cell, the genes and now the control is being sent up the line up to the interpretation of the nervous system, and so the genes are more or less, obedient to the central nervous system which makes sense for this reason. Every cell is intelligent. I could take it out of your body and put it in a tissue culture dish and they’ll grow, they’ll be happy, they’ll multiply and all those kinds of stuff. And every cell is independently looking at the world and responding to whatever it has to do to adjust its biology to stay alive.
Alright but once again here you are with Alzheimer’s, I’m asking how you personally would proceed.
The thing I would have to do is go back and find out what kind of belief system would I be involved with that would support this kind of process and I’ll give you a couple of examples because I’ve personally known people who were very dear to me that ended up with this and I can see right away that one of the big issues is, two main issues, one is that when people get cut off in their lives and they’re getting older and they lose social contacts, it has been demonstrated that this loss of social contact is one of the primary causes of senile dementia including Alzheimer’s. Basically it says, the brain, is like any other tissue organ system in the body. The more you use it, the more it develops, the less you use it, it will automatically dismantle itself because the biology is efficient. It just says if you use it, if you use it, I’ll keep it here and if you are not going to use it then we are taking it apart because we are not maintaining it for a trophy, the body that is, and the body will adjust to its use and they’ll now find it is already recognized that the vast majority of senile dementia is due to lack of use of the brain.
Otherwise, atrophy right?
Atrophy of the brain because you lose your contacts, you lose your community of people, and then you start to go internally more at that point and then your skills just dismantle themselves. That’s one thing and then there is a pathological thing that can also cause and that is people who are being leaned on by so many other people, like they are in demand to keep the show running let’s say, and that the pressure is so much that the only way out is to disconnect. They are basically saying, leave me alone, and this is important because the thoughts we have in our head are actually directives that are being sent to the cell. So you might sit there at the stop light and here these thoughts in your head, like they are entertaining your head, and in one sense they may be, and in another sense you have to recognize this, all those other thoughts are being broadcasted to over 50 trillion cells. And these cells are who you are, this is the collective community, their collective consciousness is our consciousness and the reality is that we are living in this community and our central nervous system is like the government, talking to the cells, and psychologists tell us that 70% or more of those thoughts that are running around in your head are negative and redundant.
Huh, okay, doctor hold it right there. What I’m interested in is if you had such a diagnosis, what precise, real steps would you begin to take to reverse it? Or would it begin to reverse the moment you decided you were going to reverse it? Fascinating stuff. From the high desert, I’m Art Bell and this is Coast to Coast AM.
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How would you define consciousness? What is consciousness?
It’s an emergent property in the sense that every cell is sentient. It’s very much observing its world. But when you put the 50 trillion together, there’s an energy and awareness among all 50 trillion cells, they are all listening to the same station, and as a result this energy of awareness is circulating through the system. There’s more to it as well though because there’s an identity factor that comes in that distinguishes each human to be seen as a separate entity. I mean that in the sense that if I take myself and try to put it into you, your immune system is going to say “those aren’t mine”. And then the question is whose is whose and how do you know whose whose is? And the answer is that on the surface of the cells, this membrane we talked about, there are a set of antennas and these are receptors and they are in fact a community called self-receptors, receivers of self. And the significance about that is each of us has a unique identity that are distinguished by these protein antennas. If I take my antennas off my cell and my cells are generic. If I implant them into any human, they won’t be rejected. If I take my antennas off and put yours on my cells, I would reject that cell if it was put back in my body. You would accept that cells as yours. So the point is, you can transfer the ownership by attaching your own personal set of antennas on them. Well the interesting part about that is, the signal is not from antennas, the antennas are downloading a signal. And so this is the thing that freaks me out because I didn’t believe in spirituality until I realized that my identity is an environmental signal that comes through these antennas. If the antennas were on my cells, the cells would respond to me. If I took the antennas off then the cells were generic and would not have that same response. If I put yours on, the response is your signal. And when I realized this, it was sort of like a pin code to get into the operation of the cell, that this is an outside identity. When I realized that, the first moment, it was like “oh my gosh, my identity is playing through the cell and what really hit me in the first moment in the instant of this epiphany was, if the cell dies, the identity dies, the broadcast so to speak.
Boy is that a big question, it is out there in the field?
We now recognize that when people begin to receive big grafts of organ and tissue from other people, like heart and lungs, they also begin to acquire the characteristics of those people.
That’s quite true.
And well people say, it’s cellular memory, but I’ll tell you after working with cells for the last 40 years, the cells don’t have that kind of memory processing where they can tell chicken McNuggets from beer or anything else. The reality is that the people who donated the organs, their identity is still playing through it.
Apparently.
Yes, and Pearsall’s book on A Change of Heart was interesting because he talked about a whole number of these, even to the extent that a young girl or woman, I can’t remember what age she was, received a heart from a younger girl that was shot and killed and when she acquired this, she was later able to lead the police to the murderer. And all of a sudden you have to say, where is this information coming from? And this was just what shocked me because I realized that it’s a broadcast. We are made in the image of a field in a biblical sense, we are made in the image of this broadcast and if I take your set of receptors and put it on a completely different, like an embryo just coming into this world, you’d be playing back again.
Alright doctor, has there ever been any measurement indicating that there is something emanating from us that can be measured or is it occurring in a way that it is not going to measureable until we have some quantum receiver or something? Uh, what I’m getting at I guess is, here let me lay it out for you, have you been following the studies at Princeton?
About the field effects?
About the, well the human consciousness project it’s called.
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Oh good, alright, well they have these graphs and they are watching these eggs all over the world geographically spread out. Eggs meaning computers spinning out random numbers, suddenly, they get non-random numbers and giant events happen, I mean 30 minutes before the twin towers were hit, kaboom, four hours in fact, goes off the charts and its has happened with all these events, it’s almost as if there is some sort of massive consciousness broadcast going on, and they’ve found albeit at this stage in a rather crude way but a way to detect this.
And this is an important part in our evolution that we haven’t caught on to and that is, we keep looking at ourselves as independent units, and we actually are cells in a larger organism at humanity. We are individual collective units in that organism and our lesson is of course that we think there are nations that separate one person from another person while the reality is the lesson, when we get it, is that there is one living thing on this planet called humanity and that is the equivalent of that central voice I was talking about where cells come together in a community, they are controlled by this central voice, and the cells of humans on the community of humanity has a same thing and one of the interesting things I really liked was the most is, a year after 911, exactly one year later, the anniversary, New York city, it’s 2002 on September 11th, and of course everyone is thinking, I mean one year of course, everything was playing over this whole thing, this 911…
That’s right.
And the lottery that night in New York, the winner was 911.
That’s a fact.
That is a fact and it’s interesting because this isn’t really just a coincidence, there is a part where we are involved with creating mass events through what we perceive.
Huh, oh there is so much to think about, so if somebody laid out some sort of event, let me suggest one, just pluck one from my current thought process, for example, an ocean current was beginning to swell and if not even stop, and then cause a freezing of Europe and all kinds of terrible things occurring, if these became generally accepted knowledge, that this was happening, could it become in that same way, a self-fulfilling prophecy and consciousness could have this…you see I did some experiments that seemed to just scare the holy you know what out of me, I actually got the audience to participate in the millions, in trying to create some weather changes Dr. Lipton and by god, we did it, in areas where there was not supposed to be rain in the forecast, terrible drought, we made rain and we did this, one way or another, about 10 or 11 times and I finally got to number 11 and said, “that’s it, I don’t know what I am doing with this, it scares me a little, it’s real, there’s no doubt about it but I’ve got to stop here because I don’t know what I am doing.”
Well the biggest issue about that truth that you really came across are influencing our world and the problem that we have is because people, we find ourselves as being powerless as individuals and not responsible even and starting to have these thoughts and we can be manipulated like a war and the fact is, here is an example, a soccer game. Now people generally do not go there for the fights. Okay? Yet the reality is when these things break out people who are pacifists in the middle of these things will get caught up…
And join in.
And join in and that is because we are in the field and we respond in the field as the cells in your body are in your own field, and your thought patterns are changing their behaviors and their responses, at the moment you have them, and people are in the same parallel relationships in this larger thing called humanity.
We have never really quite understood mob psychology but there is a mob psychology as you just put it out, you gave…whether you like it or not, no matter how level-headed you think you might be, if you are in the middle of it, you are going to get caught more than likely, caught in it.
Well and we know that you see every brain, is a tuning fork and it is broadcasting magnetic fields like crazy, and these are read with a device called Magnetoencephalography, MEG not EEG, magnetoecnephalograph and the significance of that is is that as you process information in your head, you are actually broadcasting magnetic fields that are altered to your thinking processes and these are being broadcasted all the time but here’s what science recently did. They were saying, look, we are measuring these magnetic fields coming out, what if we put magnetic fields back in? And as soon as they did that, people started to get hallucinations and senses and that it just so profoundly, changed their perception of reality.
Actually, isn’t that the process that produced what is known as a near-death experience?
Well this is part of it, again, part of it says that you can let go of the control, you are actually playing through these antennas, and that you can pull out of it. You can be out of your body and your intention be in the field, or you can be in your body, and you can be in either one so there’s in or out of body and yet when you are in your body, there can be a whole bunch of other parameters and things that you can experience, that you cannot experience when you are out of body. So it becomes an interesting point, if we live both in and out, what are we doing in the body that’s unique and the answer is, well, if I said you are just a spiritual entity alone, which we are, if you are just a spirit and don’t have a body, what does chocolate taste like, or what does a sunset look like, or what does love feel like, you wouldn’t really be able to have an answer because all those are sensations, that are derived from our physical bodies, that translate the environment, and convert it into electromagnetic frequencies that our brains are reading so that light comes into the eye but electric vibrations come out of the optic nerve, sound comes in the ear, electric vibrations come out of the oral nerve, and any nerve that is sending information from the outside will convert whatever the information is from the outside to a electromagnetic vibration so in a real sense, we are sort of like earth-landers, we get the chance to get into this body and sense reality using our cells as mechanical transducers to convert the world into things that we perceive now.
Alright then, let me ask you, give you a scenario and ask you if this would work alright? Let’s say I became aware through an MRI that I had some sort of tumor. Could I, over a period of time, go into a meditative state and virtually will that tumor to shrink and eventually disappear all together? Could I, is that a practical application of everything we are talking about?
Yes and people do this on a daily basis and this is very important because we are told, don’t look at that, that’s not real, and we keep get shunted away from people who do these things because it’s not in the interest to broadcast this kind of information as I said, the placebo effect is a fundamental reality of how you can heal yourself and yet, we don’t ever try to leverage it or even try to study it!
Well, have you gotten down to specifics? I mean could you actually give somebody instructions on how they should proceed if they wanted to follow this regimen of treatment and try and actually simply cure themselves?
Yes, there’s a nice pathway to go on this and it has to do with the fact that we have two minds, the conscious mind and the subconscious mind, and we have to recognize the difference between the two, and recognize that the subconscious mind is essentially the entire brain. The conscious mind is really coming from the forebrain region, the smaller portion of it, and the subconscious mind is a million times more powerful at processing information than is the conscious mind, that the subconscious mind is a complete stimulus-response mechanism, it is a tape player, there is nobody in there, it is programmed and especially for the first six years of our lives, our brain activities are designed so we actually don’t express alpha activity, which is consciousness, until about six years of age. That the first six years, our brains are predominantly in delta and theta, which is called the hypnagogic state, and it is during those first six years that we learn all the rules of fitting into human society and in addition, during that hypnagogic state, we also identify characters about ourselves that we are told by the outside people like our parents. And we then record that into our subconscious mind and here’s the problem with the subconscious mind, there’s nobody in there. It’s a push-button response, people will say, “oh my god that guy pushed my button”…
Bruce, is this why, for example, I can have a really intractable, I work a lot with electronics, an intractable problem and I just can’t figure it out. I can work day and night, day and night to the point where I am about to collapse in sleep and so angry that I can’t figure it out and so, I go to sleep thinking about the problem, and so many times doctor, I wake up the next morning and within an hour, sometimes within ten minutes of waking up, if not right away, I somehow have figured out during the night, during my sleep, what was wrong and I go in, and kaboom, and fix what I couldn’t fix with two days of conscious effort.
Like you and all the other brilliant people in this world from Newton to Einstein down, have all said the same kind of thing is that, they let go of the thing, and then they go out and frequently, it’s an out of body issue and at night of course is an opportune time for doing that. The information is out in the field and that we can download it, but the conscious mind can interfere with that and this is the interesting part, it’s sort of like, the harder you try to do something…you just have to stop for a second as say, “I’m making an effort, I’m working hard to get this done. The question is, why are you working hard? Give me the premise. The premise is because somewhere says, the answer is not going to come easy, so I’m going to work hard and guess what? Now it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. Your belief underlying it is, if it were going to come easy, you wouldn’t have been working hard in the first place so your belief is, it’s not going to come easy, and then you work harder, and the harder you work, the less likely it is going to come until you realize, until you give up, and the moment you give up, then the information is available to come in. But when you were working hard at something, it’s a reason for it. There’s an underlying belief that says it’s not going to come easy and so therefore, you perpetuate this by aggressively trying to get, you know, make the world work in the way you want and it’s like no, you’re pushing it farther away. And when you let go and especially can be out of body, you have all this information available to you, it’s bringing it back in that is the hard part.
Well, I certainly have experienced that and I would imagine many, many, many people in this audience have also experienced that. I mean it’s just an absolute truth but the trouble is, we’ve never known why it is true. It’s just…alright hold on, we’re at the bottom of the hour. Dr. Bruce Lipton is my guest and he left a tenured position at a big university because he realized something all of a sudden about the very nature of our cells. Who we are, what we are, and what drives us, not necessarily that curly, little genetic thing.
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Hmm, it may be that the instinctual knowledge that people have that some of the information you’re hearing this morning is genuine and real, a sort of instinctual knowledge even though it seems far out and kind of in the touchy-feely category, but people have this instinctual understanding that what they are hearing is the real McCoy and I think it accounts for all the interest (in reference to coast to coast AM’s ratings) in it doctor.
Well I just want to get the opportunity to tell the audience that my website, brucelipton.com has freely downloadable articles and references in everything we are talking about because I did not come into this because I was a wishful thinker and looking for spirituality, I actually had no handle on that at all and wasn’t even looking for it. It was cells that revealed it and so and what we are talking about is a scientific understanding that we are evolving and this is why I said for example, your program is starting to pick up and things are starting to pick up because we are indeed, on course on an evolutionary jump and interesting enough it may be, by the time the Mayan calendar date 2012 arrives, might actually manifest itself by then. So there is a real change going on and the world looks very freaky and scary for a lot of it and it’s sort of interesting because it is sort of a transformation for human civilization. We are leaving behind the victimhood and that we are evolving another level of consciousness as a community, not as individuals, but our community will start to become more self-conscious, more mammalian in its character while the current kind of civilization is more of a reptilian civilization where it’s conscious but not self-conscious and that’s what’s happening. We’ve been conscious of what we’ve been doing but not self-conscious meaning, and that’s the character of mammals, is that what you do today, when you are self-conscious, you actually plan what you do today based on what influence/ impact it will have tomorrow.
Doctor is there any way for you to impart and understand that for example, two cells separated, doesn’t matter how far, one in Moscow, one in the U.S., two cells that have been together are shown to have this…they react together in some way that would imply a communication at a level that we don’t begin to understand…that goes through time and space and instantly…
They are entangled and they’re also tuned into the same broadcast and that’s what happens. That’s why _(inaudible)_ work, really phenomenal stuff in that regard and basically it says why the cells in individuals at distances respond to each other because both the cell and that individual are using the same coded antennas, receiving essentially the same broadcast and the broadcast is not localized but it’s throughout the globe so that wherever the cells are, they instantaneously download what the other cells are experiencing in their environment no matter…
Throughout the globe and maybe well beyond. Maybe anywhere, maybe time and space is simply not a barrier to this communication but it’s so far beyond my understanding…
It’s interesting because there’s a great analogy that, to try and understand the relationship between that of a human on this planet and this energy that comes into it. The analogy is the mariner. The mariner, we send that to mars because we can’t go to mars and we want to know what the experience of mars would be so we send this device, which doesn’t even look like a human, but the reality is it is completely set up with all kinds of human detection systems, cameras to see what is going on, temperature receptors to read the temperature, taste receptors to read the composition of what’s going on. All these things are ways like a human would experience and that information is gathered by the mariner and sent back to it by an antenna to the guy at NASA. Now the guy at NASA is driving the vehicle so he sends information to the vehicle via the antenna and the information is downloaded and then the experience of driving, the guy at NASA catches on how to drive by driving the vehicle and getting the feedback coming back from the system when he does certain maneuvers.
Ok but I understand at what level and how that communication occurs, at least the electromagnetic portion of it, but I understand the physics of how that works but we don’t begin to understand the physics of how the kind of cellular communication we just talked about occurs. We don’t even begin to…
We’re beginning to do that now because we’re beginning to realize that conventional medicine has been looking at molecules in a Newtonian Fashion like in a lock-and-key with two chemicals like puzzle pieces, and new physics is looking at the same molecules of protein that make up the body and have recently in the last few years have totally been blown away by what they’ve been recognizing, that the proteins respond to quantum mechanical fields and they are responding not to Newtonian fields at all! (@1 hr 15 min) And why is this relevant? Because all of a sudden the interests about vibrations, harmonic resonance, constructive and destructive interference in the field is what’s controlling the biology and not the direct chemistry of a drug in a chemical interactions for example, and it’s hard because conventional biology, the people that are in that field, I was in that field okay, and I can tell you if I went around asking physics questions to my colleagues about cell biology, I would get answers that were so weird because basically biologists including myself when we did our studies never trained in physics you know, you wouldn’t jeopardize your GPA to take a physics class to go a graduate school in biology and this was part of my wake-up call as I started to realize how this mechanism of the cell membrane works and it’s actually an organic computer chip and that the keyboards or the antennas, and the antennas resonate like tuning forks through the environmental signals so as the cell is in the field, there’s all these tuning forks in the field picking up complimentary signals and converting those into biological information and then operating the cells, so all of a sudden, those things that become quantum mechanical weird, become biological weird, and “action at a distance” and all these other kinds of things like that…
So to put it all of this into practical application doctor, I mean, I think people instinctively understand I think that there’s really something here but you’re fighting a well established medical and scientific community that’s going to say what you’re talking about it just hogwash and for what you are suggesting to work, people must believe it’s true, therefore it must be proven conclusively scientifically and you’ve got some big barriers to overcome.
Well yea but we are also actually beginning to, actually those barriers are falling and that’s why the references on the website are very helpful, these are current things that are just completely changing our established view and we’ve been sort of like horses with blinders on, being led down a path of genetic control, when it turns out, that the reality is very clear now that that whole thing was false and did not work that way. The human genome project was an utter failure! A failure in what regard? It goes this way. We believed genes controlled life. To have that belief be real, we needed and excess of 140,000 genes to make a human being and that was the minimum number, and it turns out, the human genome project reports that we only have 25,000 genes. We have the same number of genes as some of the most primitive organisms on this planet! And all of a sudden that emphasis that said, “your answers are going to be in the gene”, as it turns out, they aren’t there. And that’s why this is an exciting time because letting go of the genes is the opportunity and step to say, if it’s not the gene, then what is it? And that’s when we get into, it’s the way the cell perceives the environment and responds to the signals and once you start to do that, you say, “well you’re made out of cells” and the answer is yes and all of them are perceiving the environment and the images that our brains send, in regards to those perceptions, are then what control the cell. So that in fact, for example, we find out that 95% of cancer does not have a hereditary linkage, meaning it’s not genetic running in families. 95% of cancers, people who get cancers get it by response to their environment. And recently, even the American Cancer Society, finally just about 10 days ago or something, they finally came out with a statement- it’s an underestimate for what they will say right now- but they came out with a whopping 60-something percent of cancer is totally avoidable just by changing lifestyle and diet. And why is this important? Because we have been continuously groomed on the belief that we are victims of these genes and that’s a belief and then we expect things to happen and when we start to expect things to happen, we don’t realize that an expectation is a command from the central voice organizing the cells to select the programs to meet the expectations!
Self-Fulfilling prophecies.
That’s exactly what it is and I wasn’t a religious person and you go back to all the great prophets that came through our time and almost every one of them to a tee said, it’s how you believe your life is, that’s what it’s all about!
Oh yes, yes. There is value in that but I mean you don’t have to be of a specific religious…
It has nothing to do with religion, it has to do with belief.
Yes. Yes.
And it’s a belief about whether you think you are a victim or whether you think you have any power and then it becomes important because then all of a sudden people because then people say it this way, well listen Bruce, I’ve listened to what you’ve had said and I have these positive thoughts and I keep having these positive thoughts and these are my beliefs and guess what? My life didn’t change. And I would say, “Yea I can understand why, because your positive thoughts come from your conscious mind which processes presumably something in the order of 40 bits per second and that’s your conscious mind. While your subconscious mind, in the same time, is processing about 40 million bits of data and the subconscious mind has all the programs in it and here’s the point, we didn’t put most of those programs in there, I mean we didn’t have consciousness. Most of the programs were established before we were six years of age when we were in that mindset where the subconscious mind was downloading all the rules and requirements to fit into society so a child doesn’t have to be coached by his parents, he just has to observe how his parents behave and it is a download and it becomes that way, now here’s the problem, now you’re older and your conscious mind says, “I really deserve to be healthy and I deserve to be prosperous, and how come I’m working so hard and it’s not happening? And then there’s the tendency to say, the world’s not giving it to me. And the reality is, when we find out, mostly our subconscious has been programmed with all these limiting beliefs, and you say what kind of limiting beliefs? Go to a supermarket near rush-hour. Watch the parents of the child who is acting out because the child wants something in that store. Let’s say that kid is less than six and he’s throwing a tantrum because he says, “I want this!” and the parents are yelling at him, “You don’t deserve that!”. What people haven’t recognized is that child is less than six, that’s a straight download into the subconscious. And that is a program. If it is repeated, the child will get the belief that it doesn’t deserve something, not in its conscious mind, in the subconscious mind. So here’s the issue, now the person is operating down the street and they are operating on 40 bits per second of positive thoughts that I deserve to be successful, and then 40 million bits of data down below in the subconscious are saying, the program says, I don’t deserve things. And guess what? While you are not seeing it, you will sabotage yourself because the body and the brain have to be coherent. If your brain says you don’t deserve something and you get something, that’ll cause conflict in the entire system. And the brain, the subconscious will therefore sabotage you and then the issue is, well I didn’t see that, maybe if I make this one point it’ll make it clear. When you first got your driver’s permit, you got in that car and you were driving with a conscious mind. You know how hard was if you think back, trying to keep everything in your mind at the same time, the gauges, the peddles, the mirrors, looking left and right, it was almost staggering.
Right.
Once you learn how to drive, now it’s in the subconscious mind, the program. You don’t have to think about it so today you get in the car, you put the key in and you’re at the store, you haven’t thought about one detail about exactly how to drive the car. It’s automatic now. Okay, now here’s the catch and if you get this one, it’ll make all the sense in the world what happens. It goes like this. Now that we know how to drive this well we can get so involved with a discussion with somebody in the car, that all of a sudden, you drive the car, you look out the window, and you realize, you actually haven’t paid attention to the road for the last 10 minutes. Now here’s a point, the conscious mind was engaged in the discussion. Who was driving the car? The subconscious mind. Now here’s the catch, if you can get it, this is the whole catch, and I say, okay your conscious mind is in the discussion, your subconscious mind is driving the car, I ask you, “did you observe how you drove the car during that ten minutes?” and the answer is no you didn’t, your mind was engaged in the discussion. And here’s the point, then you had no idea how you drove the car because when you conscious mind is busy, the subconscious mind, by its definition is running the show. But your conscious mind was busy so it didn’t see. And here’s the point, of all the programs in our subconscious mind, it is now demonstrated, 95% of our daily activity comes from this unconscious mind, meaning 95% of your life is playing from this part of the mind that you don’t observe when it is doing it and most importantly, the fundamental programs that you are operating from were actually programmed into your awareness before you were even conscious! And all you have to do is recognize, were you one of those kids who was in that store and you heard from your parents, “you’re just an average kid, you don’t deserve things, you’re stupid, you’re not smart, you can’t play music, you’re not good at art”. If these were in the program, then the subconscious mind with a million times more power is going to play that program even if the conscious mind says, “I can do it, I can do it”. Well it’s like shouting into the hurricane. It’s like the wind is blowing the other way cause the subconscious mind is so much more powerful, then you have to use willpower and then the answer is, yea, you are fighting yourself and the issues are as you brought up earlier, can you do something about it? And the answer is yea, if you identify the programs that is limiting you in your subconscious mind, you can rewrite them, but here’s the failure and people got to hear this, there’s no one is the subconscious mind. Trying to talk to yourself like saying, “Oh I don’t like that behavior and I don’t want to do that again”, well that’s nice but there isn’t anyone there. The subconscious mind is a tape player so I might as well give you a cassette tape and then you put it in your player and you push play and then you realize that you don’t like that tape and then what do you do? You yell at that tape. “Com’on play something different! I’m tired, play something different.” The point is this, how much yelling at a cassette tape is going to cause the program to change? The answer is you can yell until you are blue in the face and the idea is what, there’s nobody there. You have to go through a process and there are processes that you can now get into these subconscious behaviors that we can see that operate most of the time and control our lives and that’s why our consciousness is looking at the other side thinking, why is life so hard, as if the universe doesn’t want to give you something? And we don’t realize that we were sabotaging it on our own because we don’t see that tape when it plays it, I mean all you have to do is talk to some people that you know and see that they are just like their parents and say, “you know you are just like your mom?”, and when you say that to some woman, she will probably just shriek and go, “what?! Are you kidding me?” and the reality is why? They cannot see the mother’s programming which they got the first six years. When it’s playing, they can’t see it.
No of course not. They are the frog in the slowly heating water is what they are.
And that’s why I say, what’s that issue with our lives and most of the issues with our lives are the fact that that very sensitive period which actually started mid-way through pregnancy and through the first six years of our lives, we are acquiring programs on how to deal with life that are from other people and not from our own consciousness.
Alright, hold it there doctor, we are at the top of the hour, we’re going to go to the phones with Dr. Lipton when we get back from the high desert. Perhaps all of it, every bit of it is in the air tonight and every night…
The good doctor’s book is The Biology of Belief: Unleashing the Power of Consciousness and I suppose in that book you describe exactly to unleash that power, is that correct?
Well we describe how it works and how you can get to it and it’s a science book written for the _(inaudible)_, if they go to the website, there is a place on there they can get information on the book, they can actually read a chapter because its design was to take that leading-edge science and make it every day knowledge.
I think that is very wise, a lot of authors are deciding to put their first chapters up on the web and it’s a very effective strategy.
Well it gives them a chance to see what they are getting into. I bought Steven Hawking’s Beyond Time and got about half way through it and started realizing I’m reading the same chapter over and over and over again and then put it on the shelf and only to find out that almost everyone else I knew that got the book ended up doing the same thing. If you make the science that complex, there’s a loss in value so you can write it and this is an opportunity to see that you can write about science and make it readable.
Alright, your work would suggest that Neo-Darwinian theory does not fully reflect how life arose on the planet, does this new biology support evolution or creationism in a way or what?
It does both of them at exactly the same time. It says that there was a field and the field is what gives shape to the matter as much as a magnetic field gives shape to iron filings- “Iron filings are very small pieces of iron that look like a light powder. They are very often used in science demonstrations to show the direction of a magnetic field” (Wikipedia). You can sprinkle the iron filings throughout the field, they just form random things but when you put a field like a magnet in and around it and sprinkle the filings, they conform to the field so the field was here and yet the cells, you couldn’t take 50 cells and make a human, you actually had to boot-strap it, you start with something smaller and then ultimately an organism appeared after organism as a hierarchy so there was an energetic form in a sense there before and then there was process of evolution to reach that form in the end and it’s a wonderful solution because it says both are right and so that’s really the way we have to go into the future and it sort of mends these such disparate views that we have about the world because they all have to make sense and that is why it is interesting as the book describes, if you understand these mechanisms, allopathic medicine and the way we follow that and complementary medicine with this emphasis on the energy systems of the body and spiritual healing on the energy systems of the field, all make sense on this common biology so I think we are really coming to a grand evolutionary jump which is imminent and necessary.
Alright I want to bring some listeners online and let them ask some questions how would that be?
I’m ready.
Alright, let’s see how they digested it. West of the Rockies, you’re on the air with Dr. Lipton.
Hello Dr. Lipton, it is an honor to be able to speak with you and I need to ask you this question. I’m calling from Oregon and my first seven years of childhood, I have no memory of and I’m back at the place of my birth now and I am finding something very strange. First of all, I’ve been trying to find an explanation for this for years. I thought God was being kind to me because it was very abuse, extremely bad childhood, my mother tried to poison me, I was placed in a foster home and such, and I know the power of the mind, in fact, I’m almost 50 and people marvel because I have no wrinkles and I reject, I figure that I was robbed because I did not have that childhood so I reject my biological age and I believe that’s why I look so young and I know that the scripture says, a man thinkest who he is, but this is my problem, I have only been here for four years, I’m almost 50 and I go places, I’ll tell you what happened one day and this is what made me so fearful to go out of my house and I really want to deal with this or move, something has to give. A friend asked to me to take him to a house on mainstreet here, I took him to a house and I was sitting in the vehicle waiting for him and I looked over to my right and I noticed that the house next to me was the same backyard that as a child I used to go steal food from because we were abandoned and left starving and I would try and feed my siblings and myself. It was a bright and blue sunny day, I jumped out of my vehicle and thought, “Oh, I want to check this out!”, and I get out and go to the fence and tell you, it was like a big, huge, black, horrible cloud came at me and I literally ran to my vehicle and started crying, and I don’t know how to deal with this.
Alright, something, in other words, she blocked out seven years doctor, of extremely bad experiences it sounds like…
A lot of it, she wasn’t even conscious for most of it anyway so a lot of the programs got in there even without any consciousness and so it may seem like a blackout and there wasn’t even there in the first place.
It’s as if something pierced through and suddenly reminded her of something.
A stimulus-response, it’s the push button. It’s the same kind of thing that some people in the audience might know where they get a certain smell and all of a sudden that smell takes them right back to something early in their life…
That’s right.
And the fact is this, our experiences are like snapshots but not just with eyes but with all the sense that make up our recording for at moment. The more intense the experience, the more intense even the smell, the sound, the other things that were, not the main thing, but why is that important? Because the body immediately says anything that is threatening of life, it will learn that and every detail that happened at that same moment becomes part of that image so if any other time, you come back and find those stimuli come back in the field, it will immediately replay that tape again and so apparently, whatever was so horrible that when these stimuli came into your field, immediately you had to shut it down because you did this when you were a child as well. And it was really important in that these are play back programs, these are the ones playing when people say, “that guy pushed my buttons” and in this case, some place pushed your buttons. And immediately it plays that and you got to get back to that and this is that critical point as I said that our general belief is like cognitive therapy, so you go all these years, you hear all the abusive events, you replay them all over again every time you hear them and now you become consciously aware and the issue is, did you change anything in the original subconscious program and the answer is no, and that is why it is not very successful (in reference to cognitive therapy) until you back in and change the program. A variety of ways to do that, energy psychology is the new field of changing it because you are really changing your memories and your memories are not in the system, your memories are in the field so to speak and so that energy psychology rewrites the field.
Okay, here’s one for you, I lived for ten years on the island of Okinawa in the far East, Japan, and I remember the instant I got off the airplane, touched ground at Naha airbase in Okinawa, I walked off the airplane and suddenly, of course I’m here on another continent half way around the world or an island in this case, and I walked off the airplane and a certain smell hit me, not a negative smell as people might be chuckling or something but a very, whole different world, smell and I can still recall that just like yesterday and when I recall that smell, I recall the years, the very pleasurable years- I loved my time in the Japanese culture and that smell is the key for me.
And these are because as I said, every memory is just like a holographic snapshot that all your senses are recorded at that moment, not just the visual ones, every other one as well. (@ 1 hour 38 min)
Exactly. Alright, International Line you’re on the air with Dr. Bruce Lipton, good morning.
Good morning, Doctor Lipton, I am so glad that you are on the air tonight, I had or I worked through it now but I had dissociative identity disorder, multiple personalities because I was abused all my childhood, horrible, horrific abuse and I had been diagnosed with lupus in my early 20’s and as I started working through, my memories and all, about five years in, when I would go to the doctor and they would say, “you don’t have that anymore”, and you don’t get cured from lupus, you have certain antibodies measured in the blood and it was always there and then it wasn’t there anymore and that’s when I learned that when I was one personality it was there and as I started to…
Oh that’s incredible.
Yea, as I started to integrate my personalities, it was gone.
In another personality it was gone?!
It was gone.
Wow.
And I don’t have it anymore. And now I’m well, my personalities are integrated, I’ve worked through it, gone back and been in therapy and talked about the abuse and brought it to the front of my mind, in my now conscious mind which was an extremely, extremely difficult thing to do. So my thing now is, what you are talking about, I know in my conscious mind that I am a worthwhile person, that I can function in society and I can do this, but then I will go, it must be my subconscious mind and I will go sabotage myself because for all those years, my parents were telling me, “you need to be punished for this, you were bad”, and a lot of that had to do with money in the house…
And well alright, well obviously Doctor, the audience including this young lady certainly has been listening intensely to what you have been saying. She had lupus in one personality and that changed and it was no longer there, how common is this because it certainly seems to centrally support everything you’ve been saying.
It’s so common it’s hard to explain because it’s connected to psychoneuroimmunology. Immunology is the mechanism from which the lupus is derived and in fact by definition it’s called an autoimmune disease which means, self-destructive and so that whatever personality you were in, that was the one, whatever you were programmed with at that point, took away value from your life so you take away yourself in that process. You were devaluing, like if you heard you weren’t worth anything, if this was the kind of talk that was in the program then that is the subconscious program 95% of your daily events come from this program and that will repeatedly cause you to devalue yourself and that’s essentially where autoimmune diseases come from. (@ 1 hour 42 min)
Alright let’s talk about AIDS for a moment, how would this relate to those afflicted with AIDS?
It becomes very important about your belief systems about
this in regards to, if you buy into the guilt trip and you were programmed with
the guilt trip, then you find yourself being self-destructive because you see
your character or style of life is in complete competition with all the
programming that you get that this is so out of being normal, then obviously
now you have this internal conflict where your subconscious mind is observing
and saying, “My god this isn’t normal, this isn’t even worth being here at some
level”. Now why is this different? Because other people can get the AIDS virus
and make the antibodies and never express the AIDS!
That’s true.
And they have a whole different mentality about who they are and how they fit. AIDS is the big one, I’ll give you a simpler one because it’s more common to people and that’s like fever blisters. Fever blisters are due to a herpes virus. It’s a life-long thing, if you got it, it’s there your whole life and the interestingly enough, sometimes the person gets it and has it once and then sometimes people get it and then every month or two, it comes back out again. They got the same virus, what was causing it to come out? And the answer is, stress. The herpes virus will not express itself when you are not under stress. When you are under stress then the virus will manifest itself. It’s very similar and the same thing with AIDS. If you are not under that stress, you can have this virus and it’s not really going to destroy you, but if you are living under the stress, it conforms to what is called opportunistic organisms. Every one of us is infected right now, you can take a blood sample from everybody and everyone is going to have bacteria and viruses in their own blood and they’re going to say, “But Bruce I don’t feel sick and there is nothing wrong with me and yet I am infected” and the answer is, all of us are infected but when we are in a state of good mental health, the immune system is encouraged to work. When we are in stress, the stress hormones shut off the immune system and it’s not to self-sabotage you but it’s to, usually the stress is not from within, it’s from without, and so the body to conserve energy to deal with the stress from an outside threat will shut off things in the body to conserve that energy to mobilize it for the threat. Well the immune system is an internal system so if you find stress in the world outside, the adrenal hormones which are the markers of that stress, as they elevate actually shut off the immune system. Medical doctors for years knew that when patients received a foreign graft or organ and they didn’t want the individual to reject the graft, they gave them stress hormones, and the reason is, it reduces the function of the immune system. So all of us are infected and when we are in a good state of mind, we are healthy. But as soon as you get stressed, you start to remove the coverage of the immune system, these opportunistic organisms will start to take over, such as the herpes virus. When you are in a good place, no herpes and no fever blisters. The moment you get stressed, fever blisters.
I can hear a lot of people going, “Yup, that’s right”. Alright, west of the Rockies, you’re on the air with Dr. Lipton. Hello.
Hello, glad to speak with you.
I’m glad to hear you.
Art, I have a question for you. With all the mind consciousness experiments which I participated in, if the Doctor had a choice to do an experiment with all of his expertise, what would he choose to experiment in and using your program, touching tens of millions of people, to maybe get a verification…
Alright just as a mental exercise, we can do that, sure, alright Doctor, we seemingly have concluded that the power of many minds is indeed a greater power than, I don’t know if you agree with that or not, but the concentration of millions of minds on some manifestation is greater than that of a single mind with respect to world events or in the environment or however you would apply it and the question is if you could have your choice to have millions of minds attempt to do something, what would you, what would you try?
My attempt of course is to really see that we are going someplace as a civilization. We are in a very important state of flux right now, we could get there easier, except there is a lot of resistance from the people in the establishment because it really means an undoing of the power structure and a redistribution of the power back to the individuals, us, and this process, we are going to go through this evolution, do we need to struggle and fight? And the answer is no. Can we become more conscious as that is what the destination is really all about.
So, your wish for the concentration of millions of minds would be to open up consciousness so that people will realize that they are creating their world and as a result there is responsibility to make that creation in such a way as to provide for the survival of our planet and ourselves so it’s like owning responsibility because we are that powerful as you demonstrated by collecting that power…
So you simply want it understood…
Absolutely.
You wish would be for it to be understood universally.
Absolutely because the evolution is just an evolution of awareness and that is basically what it is. When we stop one day to recognize, I am not a victim, I am powerful, I just have to stop buying the victim mentality and separate myself from the images I mean for example, one of the important way I find of surviving and doing very well on this planet is not to participate in everybody else’s views of the horror that it is! It’s not horrible, except that if you get enough people to believe that it is, then that manifestation is real. I’m looking for to this evolution. It’s going to happen, it could happen easier but I have a feeling we are going to have to hurdle a bit in the process of learning it.
I think you’re right. Alright hold on doctor. Doctor Bruce Lipton is my guest as we cruse through the night, hopefully with some new understanding this morning. I can feel it, a lot of this hits you right between the eyes this morning. Didn’t it? I’m Art Bell.
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Here’s a good one from Dino from Leawood, Kansas. Does the Doctor think that because we are so conditioned to think we are going to die at a certain age, that we believe we are going to die at a certain age, that it causes it to happen?
This is very, very much right on, exactly what it is about and even our own collective belief that we live to be 90 as a ripe age is actually turning out to be a great misunderstanding that we probably could live to be easily 140 years or more with our understanding of the new biology, which is important because it says that actually one of the things that is causing us to age the most is our food, that we are eating ourselves to death. They found that all long-lived organisms that appeared to be mutants, they wanted to find out what genes were controlling their, what gave them long life, and it turned out every long lived organism actually was a defective mutant. It interfered with their digestion and they thought well, what if you just reduced the food? And then all of a sudden they found, they started to put these lab animals on like absolute, starvation diet levels, doubled their life spans.
Doubled their life spans?
Doubled their life spans, because the byproducts of food is apparently, especially the free radicals, are very destructive of the nervous system and that is one of the primary reasons why we go that way and then of course the secondary reason is, when you expect to go. Because it is a conditioned belief that becomes, remember we are all these tuning forks that you are talking about how does thought manifest itself when a large number of people get together is because if you get all the tuning forks to be coherent and start playing the same beat in a sense, that the number of people that get involved actually cause things to become materialized.
Doctor wasn’t it Native Americans who had a, and I think some Eskimos as well who had a custom that basically, when they were going to die, they either went off into the woods as a Native American and just sat for a few hours and then died or launched themselves on an iceberg out into the middle of nowhere and promptly died, in other words they had some sort of ritual, in fact, they knew they were going to die and sure enough…
Yeah and it was easy for them as well because they never had a doubt that there was this other side of this life, this transitional phase, they never had any doubt about the reality of their continued existence in this environmental field, and of course when we have doubt about it then the last thing we really want to do is die because then you think that’s the end and these people, they had no fear of that and their lives were completely different in that regard, and look, people who lose loved ones die almost like that themselves. Many people that lose a loved one will die within a very short time because- nothing was wrong with them- it was just that they just felt the continuation of life at that point wasn’t worth it.
And so their brain promptly cooperated?
Yes.
And yeah, I get it.
The cells are obedient.
Right I’ve got it. First time caller on the line, you are on the air with Dr. Lipton, Good Morning.
I’m curious about how our behavior is affected by electromagnetic fields right around the body and I am reading and listening to people talk about chakras that have a tangible effect even in a Newtonian plane or some quantum plane. I’m curious about the concept of a spiraling energy out of the top of the head. From your framework, how does that affect our behaviors, our beliefs, and then how would, you know, is it plausible if we can then change with our intent or say passing our hands through the top of our heads through change that empty field dynamic and consequently affect our beliefs and our behaviors?
Yea, this has been a historic perspective of people that have always known about their ability to control their behaviors with their beliefs that there is an energy field and it is also known that from a scientific level, we also know that external energy fields do influence biology…
Ah, that’s where I wanted to go with this.
There’s research for a hundred years about electromagnetic fields and pulsing fields, turning cells on and off, DNA synthesis, RNA protein synthesis, differentiation, cell division, behaviors, neural growth, on and on and on, again, a lot of these references are all on my website and why is it relevant? It’s because all these are published in mainstream scientific journals about energy fields influencing the fate of cells.
Alright Doctor then what about the effects of brutish electromagnetic fields, you know, broadcasting cellular towers, high frequency radio, that sort of thing, what about brutish fields like that? How do they affect us?
Well they found that people are affected by fields based on
the amount of stress they are experiencing in their life. Meaning that as you
get more stressed, your own protective field starts to weaken and outside
influences are greater so two people can be in the same field, one of them
being affected by the field, and the other one completely unaffected and you
know this is the same thing as walking across coals. It’s exactly the same
thing, if you keep your beliefs strong, you surround yourself with this field
that will prevent the heat from burning you. But if you start walking across
and for a moment, question that belief, the moment you question that belief,
and the field is gone. And the other thing about people in general health, you
know there are people who say, “Oh the cold’s coming around, I could get this
cold”, because now they’re open to that belief and yet equally there are a
number of people who say, “I will not get this. I don’t have time for this and
I am not going to get it”, and guess what? They don’t get it. And the same
thing applies to doctors. The fact is, how many doctors come down with the same
things that their patients have? The answer is very, very few and you say well…
Yea I’ve always wondered about that!
Are they different? Are they biologically different? And the answer is no! There’s a mindset that says, “I’m the doctor. I can’t have a sign on my door that says closed on account of illness!”. I mean it doesn’t make sense! And so their own belief system puts this field up and what’s this field? Well it’s an energy field, it’s like a membrane itself, it let’s things in that you need in and blocks the things that would be detrimental to you. But when you get stressed, and this is where the science, the experiments reveal, yea those fields are out there and harmful to some but not as so harmful to others and the difference was, it wasn’t the field affecting them, it was more or less the status of the individual at that point because of their receptivity of the field. So it becomes important, and also, another thing about power, the higher the power, there’s always this tendency, well if a little power doesn’t change the cells, what if you crank up the power until you could see how fields affect cells and it’s interesting because it’s inverse. The higher the power in the field, the less the cells pay attention to it. It’s out of their physiological range to pick up that signal so it’s not even relevant to biology.
Ah, gotcha.
And so they don’t pay attention to it. It’s the subtle ones because they are in the range of that communication level so then you start to talk about cell phones and that subtle power that is coming in and not the big high tension lines over your head.
I’m so glad to hear that, for a number of reasons. Wild card line, you’re on the air with Dr. Bruce Lipton. Good Morning.
Hi, Dr. Lipton. Art, hi. I was abused emotionally and sexually as a child and up until now, it’s my birthday, I’m 24, I’ve dealt with the whole _(inaudible)_ thing, self-mutilation, drug abuse, suicide attempt and now I have fibromyalgia and something called vulvodynia, it’s pain in the vulva area and my question is how do I deprogram my sub-consciousness to stop beating myself up just constantly or just stop hating myself?
Yea she’s right on the money.
Okay and this is exactly the issue we were talking about. These beliefs are in your subconscious and everything you talked about was a response to a threat on your life as well as a devaluation you felt for your own life and so every one of those is a manifestation that says the original program that you got during the abuse is running…
Yea that clear Doctor, how does she stop it.
Okay well there’s a way of doing it, it’s through energy psychology, there’s a link to my website to a process called Psych-K, that’s one of a number of them, so basically what it is, is a process where you identify the belief, you don’t have to go back and experience it, you just have to say what is keeping me from going forward and then you check you system to see, does it offer you a belief that you could get out of this or not I mean, you have to find what your belief is, we already know what yours is in this point, it’s still in this other level that’s obstructing your beliefs so then, in the energy psychology process via the Psych-K, you get into a brain balance state which is a physical posture, part of brain gem, NLP stuff. When you get into that, you a balance in your right and left hemispheres and because on our day to day lives we are either in our right or our left, it sort of goes back and forth during the day…
But I’m not clear on how this is achieved. Is this a process, are you talking about a process of meditation of some kind?
No, no, this can occur in about a five minute process…
A five minute process?
Yes. You identify the belief you want to change, you get into the whole brain position, which encourages both hemispheres to be synchronized. That opens up what is called an opportune like super-learning. That is what the characteristic of Super-learning, you have both hemispheres operating at the same time, and then you put in a positive statement while you are in the super-learning state and you can actually hear noise in your head because your entire experiential database is like conflicting saying that this statement you are making does not conform to what we say! And at some point, within a few minutes, by repeating this statement while in a whole brain posture, super-learning state, you actually rewrite these files and they’re eliminated because there is a point where you can actually feel the statement you are putting in has zero resistance. It’s a physiological feeling. You can feel it and at that moment, what you’ve done in a super-learning state is take thousands of files of experience and rewrite the perception.
And so you’ve rewritten your own program.
You’ve rewritten your own program and it’s not doing it through talking to the subconscious, it has nothing to do with that. In as sense, you first have to get into the brain balance state. That’s like pushing a record button, when we learn our experiences, early ones especially, we are in a brain balance state so every experience has a logical component and an emotional component. If you then get older and after you get out of that childhood age, you don’t really stay in a brain balance state, you’re either in the emotional side or the logic side. Well here’s the point. Trying to adjust, you know, if you are in the logic side of your brain and you are trying to change the program, you haven’t dealt with the emotional side of it because that’s not operating now. And vice versa. If you are in the emotional side, then the logical things that happened don’t make sense and so the issue is, brain balance opens up a window which leads to a status that is similar to super-learning and you actually can download a belief that will rewrite the database and it usually takes about five minutes for each particular belief statement that you need to correct about the value of your life and who you really are, the divinity within you which has been beaten out of you in that sense.
That’s amazing. Alright, east of the Rockies, you’re on the air with Dr. Lipton, hi.
Dr. Bruce, you mentioned three words earlier, quantum mechanical fields and it’s funny because it introduces a trinity into science and you know, quantum physics is the physical, mechanical, technological and fields is basically the variable. Now science is starting to be seen as the new basic religion which is a trait beyond earth itself, being biological, chemistry, and philosophy, but it does break down into two things, being biological versus technological, in the same way that the optimal holy trinity comes down to father, son, the holy spirit but it comes down to right and wrong- okay I didn’t mean to go there but as far as nano-technology goes, it’s kind of a catch-22 isn’t it? Who do you see winning out? Because you need nanotechnology to go out and get in there and influence cells, yet at the same time, can the cells overcome any nanotechnology that might be tapped into?
Well what’s the nanotechnology part that you are referring to that’s required?
As far as diseases? As far as what has been propagated on this show even, especially in George’s shows for nanotechnology and what they can do for diseases or for cells themselves. Does consciousness win out or does technology win out?
The way and significance of the way I would look at it that consciousness does because the genetic system is highly adaptive, does improvisation, in other words, the genetic system isn’t controlling us but the organism is adjusting its genes to conform and survive in its environment so you can start by giving bacteria penicillin and you kill most of them but guess what? Some of them in there, start to read that penicillin, change their genetic structure and as a result, create a protein that is displayed on the surface as an antibody that blocks the penicillin and then the intelligence goes one step further, after it can block this penicillin, it learns how to take the same molecule and break the penicillin and after a short time those bacteria that were at first resistant, then learn to eat it! And all this says what? The technology, you could put something in the field but guess what? Over a period of time, the intelligence of the system can control its environment and change its genetics to create what it needs to adapt and survive in an environment and that’s essentially how we got here and the belief that it was Darwinian it was an accident, in recent science which is the stuff of described in the books, recent science says no, there are actual mechanisms that cells have to generate various variations in their genes when they find stress because the only way out is to change the system.
Well that’s really rushing the process of evolution right along isn’t it?
And that’s why there have been mass extinctions and in the briefest of time in regards to evolution, all new species came out! It’s like where did they come from? It didn’t come from Darwinian theory, that would have taken extra millions of years for them to show up. They show up in hundreds of thousands of years and not millions of years. It said, no, organisms are these devices, they are cells, they are adaptable, they get into their environment and they read that environment, they adjust their biology to manifest the complements of that environment and then of course it’s the part where they read their environment when we translate that to humans, so do we read the environment but then we also get teachers and so we buy these interpretations of the environment that we never even experienced and we buy them from others and then they become real as if we created them ourselves.
Alright your book The Biology of Belief, when is everyone able to get it? …
…An important insight that we are indeed on an evolutionary track right now, it is certainly going to cause something to happen in the next few years and those people who are aware with consciousness are going to be able to get through this and those people who are not acting with consciousness are going to be lost and it’s going to be like a very strange world coming up, it’s kind of strange every day now actually haha.
Boy you are not kidding.
We are at a destination. We are in fact leaving behind a reptilian society and acquiring a more mammalian society and the difference is, a reptilian society is run by dinosaurs, big corporations with little awareness and they think with a reptilian consciousness. They are there not in reptile form, they are there in consciousness meaning that they are doing things today without ever thinking about what this means to our planet tomorrow.
Alright and on that now, we’ve got to go, we’re out of time. Alright, it’s been an absolute pleasure, what a classic show you’ve done. Doctor, thank you.
Thank you so much.
Good night my friend. Alright there he is, Dr. Bruce Lipton. That was quite a program, perhaps a classic. That’s it for tonight, we’ll see you tomorrow night as believe me, a classic weekend continues. I’m Art Bell. Good night.
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